{"id":2802,"date":"2013-07-22T17:37:48","date_gmt":"2013-07-22T22:37:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/?p=2802"},"modified":"2013-07-22T17:37:48","modified_gmt":"2013-07-22T22:37:48","slug":"nikon-p-223-scope-and-burris-pepr-ar-mount","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/?p=2802","title":{"rendered":"Nikon P-223 Scope and Burris PEPR AR Mount"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A couple of weeks ago I bought a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B006Z07JTE\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B006Z07JTE&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=gucaante-20\">Nikon P-223 3&#215;32 with the BDC Carbine reticle<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B006Z07JTE\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/> and a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B004S76WTE\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B004S76WTE&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=gucaante-20\">Burris AR-PEPR Quick Detach mount<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B004S76WTE\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>. I&#8217;d read some good reviews for both, and they both happened to be on sale, so I went ahead and got them. By the way, some sites list the P-223 as having 1\/4 MOA target turrets. They&#8217;re not. They&#8217;re 1\/2 MOA.<\/p>\n<p>My plan was to put this combo on the <a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/2013\/01\/14\/gun-porn-fde-edition\/\">FDE Magpul Fanboy AR<\/a> (I&#8217;ve put an FDE MBUS on that since those pictures were taken).<\/p>\n<p>Two points: They don&#8217;t work <i>together<\/i>, and I&#8217;ve decided I&#8217;m not a huge fan of the P-223. Let&#8217;s explore why.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s a stock photo of the Burris PEPR:<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B004S76WTE\/ref=as_li_ss_il?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B004S76WTE&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=gucaante-20\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?_encoding=UTF8&amp;ASIN=B004S76WTE&amp;Format=_SL160_&amp;ID=AsinImage&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;WS=1&amp;tag=gucaante-20\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B004S76WTE\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s a stock photo of the Nikon P-223:<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B006Z07JTE\/ref=as_li_ss_il?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B006Z07JTE&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=gucaante-20\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?_encoding=UTF8&amp;ASIN=B006Z07JTE&amp;Format=_SL160_&amp;ID=AsinImage&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;WS=1&amp;tag=gucaante-20\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B006Z07JTE\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/><\/p>\n<p>And here&#8217;s what they look like when you put them together:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_2805\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2805\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_2972.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-2805\" alt=\"Hmmmm...\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_2972-1024x682.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-2805\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">I see a problem developing<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure id=\"attachment_2803\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2803\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_2973.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-2803\" alt=\"And there it is\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_2973-1024x682.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-2803\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">And there it is<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Well, $%^&amp;. That PEPR is <i>solid<\/i>, though. I am really impressed by it.<\/p>\n<p>Okay. So now what? Well, regular readers will remember that I&#8217;ve got an M&amp;P15-22 with a scope on it. That scope is mounted with some <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B004HIHQLM\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B004HIHQLM&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=gucaante-20\">$20 QD rings<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B004HIHQLM\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" \/>. So it&#8217;s time to play musical gun parts.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_2806\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2806\" style=\"width: 640px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_2986.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-2806\" alt=\"You have GOT to be kidding me...\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_2986-1024x682.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-2806\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">You have GOT to be kidding me&#8230;<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_2988.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-2807\" alt=\"IMG_2988\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_2988-1024x682.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>If you&#8217;ll notice, the scope is as far forward as possible, but the rings aren&#8217;t tall enough for the scope to clear the MBUS. So I&#8217;ve taken the MBUS off and now I don&#8217;t have backup sights on that rifle (and also it&#8217;s not sighted in).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_3006.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-2809\" alt=\"IMG_3006\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_3006-1024x682.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_3007.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-2810\" alt=\"IMG_3007\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_3007-1024x682.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>So, now that the saga of actually getting it mounted to the gun is over, I was ready to &#8220;play&#8221; with it.<\/p>\n<p>Now, I&#8217;ve heard before that if you put a magnified optic on an AR with a front sight post, the front sight will &#8220;disappear&#8221; when looking through the scope. I&#8217;m pretty sure that I&#8217;ve even seen this before with one of oddball&#8217;s ARs.<\/p>\n<p>Apparently, the 3x magnification that this scope has is not\u00a0<em>quite<\/em> enough. It&#8217;s really hard to get a good picture of what I actually see due to eye relief and the size of the lens on my camera, but it&#8217;s a lot like this:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_3005.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-2811\" alt=\"Why yes, that is a different scope mounted in the PEPR.\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_3005-1024x682.jpg\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Basically, there&#8217;s just enough of a ghost for the front sight to make it really annoying and distracting. The BDC Reticle is also a little bit useless for me, since it requires zeroing at 200 yards with 55gr polymer tipped ammo, and the hashes are for 400 and 600 yards. Nikon has <a href=\"http:\/\/spoton.nikonsportoptics.com\/spoton\/\">a webapp<\/a> that allows you to recalculate the hashes and do some other stuff, but using Federal XM855 and a 100 yard zero makes the &#8216;s hashes fall at 325, 513, and 600. The app is kinda neat, but its gimmicky. They have an iPhone app, but no Android version. They also don&#8217;t offer custom turrets for the P-223.<\/p>\n<p>So I&#8217;m not really sure how this is going to end. I have been toying with completely reconfiguring and repurposing <a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/2013\/01\/29\/now-did-i-jump-the-shark\/\">the 12 pound AR<\/a> and putting this scope on that. I&#8217;ve also thought that since I now have two QD scopes maybe I should set them both up with the M&#038;P15-22 and swap them out when I want to play Tactical Tommy and use the 22 as a carbine trainer. I got to play with <a href=\"http:\/\/olegvolk.net\/blog\/2013\/07\/03\/a-good-deal-in-optics\/\">this scope<\/a> recently and I really like it, so maybe I&#8217;ll get that, too. And now I&#8217;m just rambling. \ud83d\ude00<\/p>\n<p>Oh, so I did end up using the PEPR for my other scope. Now I have a $100 mount holding a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B000NJUPAS\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=B000NJUPAS&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;tag=gucaante-20\">$50 scope<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B000NJUPAS\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" \/>:<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_3008.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/IMG_3008-1024x682.jpg\" alt=\"Pay no attention to the cheap Chinese bipod.\" width=\"640\" height=\"426\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-2813\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A couple of weeks ago I bought a Nikon P-223 3&#215;32 with the BDC Carbine reticle and a Burris AR-PEPR Quick Detach mount. I&#8217;d read some good reviews for both, and they both happened to be on sale, so I went ahead and got them. By the way, some sites list the P-223 as having [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2802","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-guns"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2802","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2802"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2802\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2802"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2802"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2802"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}