{"id":1141,"date":"2012-04-18T13:38:29","date_gmt":"2012-04-18T18:38:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/?p=1141"},"modified":"2012-04-18T13:38:29","modified_gmt":"2012-04-18T18:38:29","slug":"review-5-11-covert-khaki-vs-covert-khaki-2-0","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/?p=1141","title":{"rendered":"Review: 5.11 Covert Khaki vs Covert Khaki 2.0"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A few years ago I bought a couple pair of 5.11 Tactical&#8217;s Covert Khakis. I really liked them, to the point where I wore each pair twice a week for almost two years. Just recently I lost a button on one of them, about 5 years after I bought them. Mrs wizardpc kindly repaired that last night.<\/p>\n<p>So, really durable, then. Virtually no signs of wear.<\/p>\n<p>My only complaint is that they shrank about a half inch in inseam the first time I ran them through the dryer on high heat. Learned my lesson on that one. So they&#8217;ve been a little highwater-ish.<\/p>\n<p>A couple of years ago, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ma-rooned.com\/2010\/05\/i-am-anti-robb.html\">5.11 discontinued the Covert Khakis<\/a>. By the time I heard about it, my size was sold out <I>everywhere<\/i>. It made me sad. <\/p>\n<p>When I was writing the post on the <a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/2012\/03\/14\/my-new-favorite-pants\/\">Columbia ROC pants<\/a> I discovered that 5.11 had come out with a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B009H0Z4GE\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B009H0Z4GE&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=gucaante-20\">Covert Khaki 2.0<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B0069VAFPY\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" \/>. I was thrilled! I ordered a pair a size larger than last time to hopefully prevent the shrinking issue. That ended up being a mistake, for reasons I&#8217;ll explain in a minute.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nWhen the pants came in, the first thing I noticed was that unlike the originals, v2.0 doesn&#8217;t have the zippered pockets inside the front pockets. Those were neat, and had the bonus feature of built-in magazine holders which I admittedly don&#8217;t use. The good news is that the pockets they do have are gigantic, just like the old ones. My Glock 23, with taclight, will fit:<br \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1167\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1167\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0474.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0474-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"IMG_0474\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1167\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0474-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0474-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0474-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0474-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0474-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1167\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Originals<\/figcaption><\/figure><br \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1153\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1153\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0461.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0461-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"IMG_0461\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1153\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0461-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0461-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0461-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0461-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0461-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1153\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Covert Khaki 2.0<\/figcaption><\/figure><br \/>\nYou probably also noticed that the pockets in the originals are made out of 5.11 branded cloth, while the v2.0 uses standard white cloth for the pockets.<\/p>\n<p>The next thing is that the material is thinner. A lot thinner. The originals are about as thick as canvas. The new ones are more like summer pants. I doubt I would wear them in Tennessee winters, much less New England winters. They probably will be a whole lot more comfortable in the summers, though.<br \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1149\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1149\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0465.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0465-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"IMG_0465\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1149\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0465-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0465-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0465-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0465-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0465-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1149\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Originals<\/figcaption><\/figure><br \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1157\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1157\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0457.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0457-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"IMG_0457\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1157\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0457-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0457-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0457-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0457-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0457-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1157\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Covert Khaki 2.0<\/figcaption><\/figure><br \/>\nIt&#8217;s really hard to capture the difference in pictures, but the old ones are at least twice as thick. This is why it was a mistake for me to buy a size up. The material is completely different and didn&#8217;t shrink at all in the wash. So, hemming it is!<\/p>\n<p>A subtle&#8211;but important&#8211;missing feature from the 2.0 pants is the gusset. The originals had a gusset, which made the pants a whole lot more comfortable than your average khakis.<br \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1147\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1147\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0467.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0467-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"IMG_0467\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1147\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0467-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0467-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0467-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0467-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0467-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1147\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Originals<\/figcaption><\/figure><br \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1158\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1158\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0456.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0456-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"IMG_0456\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1158\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0456-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0456-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0456-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0456-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0456-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1158\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Covert Khaki 2.0 - No Gusset!<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n<p>At this point, there really isn&#8217;t any difference between the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B009H0Z4GE\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B009H0Z4GE&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=gucaante-20\">Covert Khaki 2.0<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B0069VAFPY\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" \/> and, say, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B001GAP904\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=gucaante-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=B001GAP904\">regular old Dockers that cost a whole lot less<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B001GAP904\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" \/>.<\/p>\n<p>But wait! What about the side zippered pocket?<br \/>\nThe new pants have a leg up on the originals here. The two hidden side pockets are significantly larger, twice as large I would guess, in the new version. Length wise they are the same, but they are twice as deep.<br \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1145\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1145\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0469.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0469-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"IMG_0469\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1145\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0469-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0469-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0469-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0469-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0469-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1145\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Originals, Closed<\/figcaption><\/figure><br \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1144\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1144\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0470.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0470-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"IMG_0470\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1144\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0470-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0470-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0470-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0470-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0470-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1144\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Originals, Open<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure id=\"attachment_1161\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1161\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0453.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0453-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"IMG_0453\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1161\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0453-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0453-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0453-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0453-1536x1024.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/IMG_0453-2048x1365.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1161\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Covert Khaki 2.0 Open<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s a neat feature. I used to carry an epipen in one, and have occasionally used them to hold a cellphone.<\/p>\n<p>But guess what? <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B006AZUAYK\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=gucaante-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=B006AZUAYK\">Dockers makes khaki&#8217;s with a similar pocket for $20 less.<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B006AZUAYK\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B006AZUAYK\/ref=as_li_ss_il?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=gucaante-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=B006AZUAYK\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/ws.assoc-amazon.com\/widgets\/q?_encoding=UTF8&#038;Format=_SL160_&#038;ASIN=B006AZUAYK&#038;MarketPlace=US&#038;ID=AsinImage&#038;WS=1&#038;tag=gucaante-20&#038;ServiceVersion=20070822\" ><\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B006AZUAYK\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" \/><\/p>\n<p>I feel like the old version was just made a whole lot better than these new ones. Add to that the fact that the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B006AZUAYK\/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=gucaante-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=B006AZUAYK\">Dockers mobile khakis<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=gucaante-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B006AZUAYK\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" style=\"border:none !important; margin:0px !important;\" \/> are basically the same pants, with one fewer side pocket, for 40% less, and I&#8217;m going to have a hard time buying a second pair.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve heard stories where gun shops stopped carrying 5.11 gear because the quality is starting to take a hit. I can&#8217;t say they&#8217;re wrong.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A few years ago I bought a couple pair of 5.11 Tactical&#8217;s Covert Khakis. I really liked them, to the point where I wore each pair twice a week for almost two years. Just recently I lost a button on one of them, about 5 years after I bought them. Mrs wizardpc kindly repaired that [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1141","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-guns"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1141","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1141"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1141\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1141"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1141"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/gunscarstech.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1141"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}